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Jett Superior laid this on you on || August 18, 2002 || 9:25 pm

Princess CoolChick meets Lady IdiotPants, as follows:

From: clairebell@earthlink.net

To: *****************@hotmail.com

Subject: Question for seller

Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:32:21 PDT

Can you please tell me shipping to 95762 zip code. I prefer only to deal with people who charge realistic shipping charges.

Thanks,

Claire

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From: Eliz A. Beth

To: clairebell@earthlink.net

Sent: 8/13/02 8:34:58 PM

Subject: Re: Question for seller

According to the USPS website (http://postcalc.usps.gov) shipping to your zip from mine would be $8 for parcel post and $10.50 for priority.

Insurance, of course, would be additional.

I’d like to add that I found the tone of your e-mail to be a bit offensive.

My auction clearly states that actual shipping charges only will be added. I could choose to charge a flat shipping fee, but that would be at the assumption that someone as far away as Alaska or Hawaii was buying; I feel that would be unfair to buyers that are in regions closer to my own, as shipping to them would be much cheaper.

In short, a pleasant note requesting shipping cost would have sufficed without some sort of terse disclaimer attached. If you didn’t like the fee quoted to you, you could have gone on your merry way.

Thank you for your inquiry.

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From: “Claire Parker”

Reply-To: clairebell@earthlink.net

To: “Eliz A. Beth”

Subject: Re: Question for seller

Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:4:37 -0700

I’m sorry you took offense. So much or trying to figure out what someone feels from email! It just can’t be done. Actually, I have been so overcharged on shipping in the past that I feel as a buyer it is a term that I must state up front. That’s why I request shipping prices up front. Other sellers may not be as honest as you. One guy actually charged me twice what the item price was for a shipment from So. CA to my home in No. CA. (Item was $10 – shipping was $20 on a 1/4 pound camera). He then tried to justify it by sending me e-mail on how I could up my shipping charges to make up for low bid prices on items I sell on e bay. Well, I just believe that defeats the purpose of bidding and being lucky and so on…Read my feedback. I am very forthcoming and honest to a fault. So if I offended you I’m sorry. I see it as a business transaction between two unknowns and feel that I am protected by stating what I expect in shipping charges up front. Thanks, Claire Parker

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From: Eliz A. Beth

To: clairebell@earthlink.net

Sent: 8/14/02 11:00:48 PM

Subject: Re: Question for seller

Actually, I have been so overcharged on shipping in the past that I feel as a buyer it is a term that I must state up front. That’s why I request shipping prices upfront.

I’m sorry, but as a buyer, you do not state the terms of the transaction; that is left to the seller and to eBay.

In this case you did not request shipping up front, you bid *first* and then you requested the shipping cost from me.

One guy actually charged me twice what the item price was for a shipment from So. CA to my home in No. CA. (Item was $10 – shipping was $20 on a 1/4 pound camera). He then tried to justify it by sending me e-mail on how I could up my shipping charges to make up for low bid prices on items I sell on e bay.

You used the integral phrase yourself: One guy. He was one in a sea of many. One person should not be used as a measure of the whole. And what he did wasn’t ‘justifying’, it was instructing you in the machinations of his scam.

I am very forthcoming and honest to a fault.

So you say; if I were to take the approach that you did with me, I would
send you correspondence saying, “Send an e-mail explaining yourself to me, because I am automatically suspicious of you!”

Read my feedback.

I find this statement funny, because it appears that you did not read mine. NOWHERE in my feedback is there a complaint about egregious shipping costs. Hell, I don’t even add in a handling fee (as many sellers do) for
packaging/packing materials; I feel that it’s inherently dishonest to do so. If you are a smart seller, your opening bid won’t be so ridiculously low that you don’t cover these types of costs.

I see it as a business transaction between two unknowns…

That’s because it is.

…feel that I am protected by stating what I expect in shipping charges up front.

In fact, you are not. eBay has policies regarding inflated shipping/handling charges. I suggest that, rather than offend your seller, you study up on these policies and put them into action in your favor the next time someone tries to poke you.

As I stated before, you have no ‘right’ to state your ‘expectations’; the only rights you have as a buyer (essentially) are to receive the goods that you bought in the condition they were presented in and to receive them in a
timely manner.

Listen, I was not offended in the least that you requested shipping rates; that is part and parcel of being a seller, and I am happy to provide those estimates to people that request them. What was offensive was the imperious tone you chose to employ after requesting said rates (“I prefer only to deal with people who charge realistic shipping charges.”). It was really a
snarky, unnecessary statement. That was my original point, and here is the continuation to same: In the future, you may want to ask shipping rates BEFORE bidding, and when requesting those rates, leave the baggage of sour past deals behind. It really is off-putting.

Thanks,

Elizabeth

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From : “Claire Parker”

Reply-To: clairebell@earthlink.net

To : “Eliz A. Beth”

Subject :Re: Question for seller

Date :Fri, 16 Aug 2002 9:8:52 -0700

I’ll bet you send hate mail to your relatives. Please don’t bother me again. Claire Parker

What a dumb bitch….”Hi! I’m in second grade!” I swear, you can’t tell some people ANYTHING.

*For the record, the only person I send hatemail to is my father.

10 worked it out »

  1. clayton 8.18.2002

    you can send hate mail to me snoogums… she just didn’t know how to appreciate it.

    i wish i had some homemade wine to go with my cotton balls and q-tips… ;-)

     
  2. waistdog 8.19.2002

    This is why people shop at Wal-mart.

     
  3. clayton 8.19.2002

    heh… wal-mart…

     
  4. tel 8.19.2002

    You seem a little tense lately.

     
  5. Jett 8.19.2002

    tel….I’ve read your comment four times now, trying to determine whether that is your show of glib humor or it’s your show of concern.

    and what’s this pph stuff, anyhow? and can I have a key, dad?

     
  6. tel 8.19.2002

    uh, both? seriously, you do seem a bit on-edge lately. I’m sure I know why, though. grab your kid and hug him and take some deep breaths. all will be okay-dokay! (and there’s nothing there to give you a key for.)

     
  7. Tara 8.19.2002

    YEEEESUS. That’s insane.

     
  8. Dee 8.20.2002

    How come the idiots I collect never seem to be as interesting as yours?

    PS: I exist again! I have a voice! http://www.viscerate.com (I have to get used to putting the www in again.)

     
  9. delmer 8.20.2002

    ah the delicate intricacies of non verbal communication.

    good thing there wasn’t a “red keyboard” instead of a “red Phone” during the cold war.

     
  10. Jo-Ann 8.21.2002

    Yet another reason why I love you! LMAO… I gotta go check out your auctions. lol Did you see the surfboard on my site? lmao hahahahahaha what a riot you are. Old Claire will certainly never forget you! And I bet she learned a lesson about shipping charges also. You go girl!

     

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